In this episode, Jessica sits down with Mary O'Carroll, CEO of LegalEng Consulting Group, for a wide-ranging conversation on where legal ops came from, where legal tech is going, and what it is going to take to get there.
Meet the expert
Mary O'Carroll
CEO of LegalEng Consulting Group
Mary O'Carroll is one of the most influential voices in legal operations, and for good reason. She has spent two decades building, connecting, and pushing the industry forward.
Key takeaways
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How CLOC started as a lunch between people who had no name for what they did
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What drove every move in Mary's career from Google to Ironclad to big law and back out
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What a legal engineer is and the three skills that define one
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Why big law genuinely wants to change but cannot easily walk away from what has made it successful
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What AI-native law firms are actually pitching and whether it holds up
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What happens to junior associates as AI takes over entry-level legal work
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Why every legal tech vendor sounds the same right now and how to cut through it as a buyer
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Build versus buy: why building in-house almost always ends up abandoned
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Mary's one piece of advice for legal professionals trying to catch up on tech
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